tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post3817749245774638870..comments2024-03-25T02:48:32.119-04:00Comments on HEY NATALIE JEAN: THE HORSES OF CENTRAL PARK SOUTHNataliehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13698804808966036834noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-90149524050774003252014-01-16T22:04:43.032-05:002014-01-16T22:04:43.032-05:00They are actually NOT treated well http://www.huma...They are actually NOT treated well http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/carriage_horses/ You can do your own independent research. It is an outdated and unnecessary practice. The beauty of it does not justify the lives these animals live. I think Natalie is aware of this, and I wish she would of linked to a comprehensive article about the practice of carriage horses. TeamDisasterHHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528548822288702188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-72125399673807823122014-01-16T22:04:34.675-05:002014-01-16T22:04:34.675-05:00They are actually NOT treated well http://www.huma...They are actually NOT treated well http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/carriage_horses/ You can do your own independent research. It is an outdated and unnecessary practice. The beauty of it does not justify the lives these animals live. I think Natalie is aware of this, and I wish she would of linked to a comprehensive article about the practice of carriage horses. TeamDisasterHHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528548822288702188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-52757116644715585142012-11-14T12:32:25.167-05:002012-11-14T12:32:25.167-05:00I know this is an old post, but as a horse person,...I know this is an old post, but as a horse person, I have to throw in my two cents (or twenty, as it always ends up being)...<br /><br />Let me preface by saying that horses are bred and trained for specific disciplines, and the vast majority far prefer to be "in work" than idling in a stall/pasture. Pulling breeds (like drafts and draft-crosses) are hardy, strong, and bred FOR pulling. In no way is their load too great by carrying a couple people around a park. <br /><br />That being said, the living conditions of these horses in such a large city is far from ideal, particularly with our modern abilities to provide for them. They are kept in stalls for all times they are not out, and must deal with the issues of no turnout (ulcers, leg issues, etc.). As long as the horses when worked are provided adequate water and rest (and are being spared the worst of the heat or cold/wet weathers), they're not being "worked to death" as many would claim, though one could reasonably state that their consistently-stalled conditions do shorten their expected lifespans simply by the fact that they are unable to roam/graze at liberty. That being said, most of the competent owners/drivers do "rotate" horses in and out of the city (one horse working for a couple months before another is brought in and horse A gets a couple months break on the farm), which helps these horses to both get to enjoy life AS horses and get a break from the city, while still being contented in their work. <br /><br />There's much that should be done to improve the conditions (and end-of-life options) for these horses. But to suggest that all drivers/owners are evil as some have done, is to do a disservice... not only will you only alienate those who are actually caring for the horses day in and day out, but you will also cut ties with those horse people who understand the industries at play, and who wish to use that knowledge in order to better the situation for all involved. <br /><br />((And FTR: the facial expressions on the horses above isn't "sadness" (trust me, if you actually see that on a horse, you will never forget it)... boredom and disinterest are the biggest tells there. Standing around waiting = boring. Ears plugged against sirens/city noises = disinterest in what you aren't hearing))Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224217897647444185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-73042120922847516072012-07-26T20:36:39.678-04:002012-07-26T20:36:39.678-04:00*is wrong
I accidentally a word.*is wrong<br /><br />I accidentally a word.Chris Cicakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720012527604826239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-57753315800480617252012-07-26T20:36:05.882-04:002012-07-26T20:36:05.882-04:00I think the fact that one of the horses in the pho...I think the fact that one of the horses in the photos looks like it has sores on its back from the tack should give way to saying the side against horse drawn carriages being used. Jussayin'.<br /><br />(picture #8 down)Chris Cicakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720012527604826239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-86039100453317601522012-07-18T22:16:58.446-04:002012-07-18T22:16:58.446-04:00seven and thirty million horses? actually? i thoug...seven and thirty million horses? actually? i thought the human population of NYC was just over 8 million so i would be surprised if there were that many horse. or are you being sarcastic? its hard to tell over the internet sometimes. love the blog though :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-68144674666082291132012-07-18T16:32:09.161-04:002012-07-18T16:32:09.161-04:00Please set those beautiful ponies free!! They look...Please set those beautiful ponies free!! They look so sad. I can't make myself read the other comments on this post because I'm afraid to learn about any potential shabby treatment. I'll just hope that they're treated well.jasminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00081876926389855583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-14609607383309096222012-07-18T13:57:33.575-04:002012-07-18T13:57:33.575-04:00the horses poop in bags. that makes me sad.the horses poop in bags. that makes me sad.Kim Szadekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14657845935078967511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-418577257041862972012-07-18T11:52:38.871-04:002012-07-18T11:52:38.871-04:00I love NYC! :) This makes me want to book flights ...I love NYC! :) This makes me want to book flights for my hubby and I for this fall. Those horses are so handsome!Cherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01207633044080765756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-9218198338181830862012-07-18T10:38:07.380-04:002012-07-18T10:38:07.380-04:00beautiful pictures but i do hate how you can see t...beautiful pictures but i do hate how you can see the sadness in their eyes. like you, every time i walk by them, i just want to set them all free! especially on those days when it's so hot and humid that i'm just about melting, i can't believe there are still horses pulling carriages. as much of a "magical" tradition this is for most people, i hope this can become much less romanticized as people become more educated about the actual working conditions of these horses. the aspca is working to change this industry without eliminating ways for tourists and residents alike to tour the city.<br /><br />http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/animal-precinct/nyc-carriage-horse-industry.aspx<br /><br />i do love all of your nyc posts (and all your posts in general!), it makes me venture out and see parts of the city i wouldn't otherwise think to visit!Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08492831138454732436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-57746699573073789492012-07-18T09:34:35.024-04:002012-07-18T09:34:35.024-04:00wow. beautiful shots. i suppose they are like peop...wow. beautiful shots. i suppose they are like people. some may love living/working in the city and some may hate it but have no other choice. i personally can't help but feel that they should be on a green field running around and eating grass.Lil Muse Lilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621524550721798423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-42513290654970484652012-07-18T02:21:01.479-04:002012-07-18T02:21:01.479-04:00i am so glad that i stumbled upon your cute blog. ...i am so glad that i stumbled upon your cute blog. because it is lovely. just like you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09163509239007815772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-36571509232053601132012-07-18T01:45:50.506-04:002012-07-18T01:45:50.506-04:00i'm not a horse person at all (although i am a...i'm not a horse person at all (although i am animal lover!) but my heart just breaks for these guys. their eyes look so sad, you can tell they're not happy with this situation. i'm a new reader of this blog and i've really enjoyed it... i don't think that it is not your obligation to address this abuse. but if you were interested, it would be welcomed.all the bright sideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07450777311777461638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-10052290154468388342012-07-18T00:16:39.208-04:002012-07-18T00:16:39.208-04:00I agree with some of the other readers, I don'...I agree with some of the other readers, I don't think they are all treated the way animals should be and perhaps we should do something about it. I love horses and always had some until about five years ago. I miss them dearly.<br /><br />www.accidentallybeautiful.comrhonda https://www.blogger.com/profile/16825186760881892669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-63526004416092233402012-07-17T22:57:12.384-04:002012-07-17T22:57:12.384-04:00Agreed. It is never safe to make assumptions. Ther...Agreed. It is never safe to make assumptions. There is a reason that the term "knowledge is power" is so seemingly overstated! I will add that I don't believe animal cruelty (which, based on the living conditions to which these animals are subjected, it is) is ever right, especially when the desired outcome is entertainment and, primarily, turning a profit. I enjoy this blog and as stated by someone else would love to see you use your power to educate your readers!tandakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18035696586942261046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-34600583784837709592012-07-17T22:00:41.890-04:002012-07-17T22:00:41.890-04:00hi natalie, i just want to preface this comment by...hi natalie, i just want to preface this comment by saying how much i enjoy your blog (i really do!) and these pictures.<br /><br />but like others have already mentioned, the central park horses certainly aren't treated very well despite what mayor bloomberg and others might proclaim in their efforts to defend a $15 million-a-year nyc business. opponents might blame peta for being too dramatic, etc., but one cannot deny the subpar conditions nyc horses (along with many other animals in this world, but that's for another conversation) endure on a daily basis. it's never good to just assume 'their living conditions are fine' and 'there have got to be rigorous standards in place to make sure they're treated well' because the reality of the matter is that things could be a lot better. i would suggest reading some articles regarding the matter:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/nyregion/ny-horse-drawn-carriage-industry-fights-for-survival.html?pagewanted=all<br /><br />http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/01/animal-rights-advocates-central-park-carriage-horse-that-died-was-unhealthy/<br /><br />http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/charlie_horse_had_nagging_ulcer_aZj8IY2hOsfIjqcjX10qbP<br /><br />now is either side "right"? who knows, but it's worth looking into the other side of the matter and other possibilities nyc could pursue.<br /><br />anyway, i only just discovered your blog about a month ago through the daybook, but i look forward to reading your posts every day, and this one definitely won't change that. keep it up!<br /><br />- shannonAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12092744319473682626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-15450719602941828402012-07-17T19:34:48.392-04:002012-07-17T19:34:48.392-04:00They do look sad...and some of their hoofs look a ...They do look sad...and some of their hoofs look a bit worse for wear. I did go for a ride in a carrige the first time I visited NYC...mistake as I'm super allergic to horses, even though I think they're lovely.Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11907743046211723083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-31153128275796579032012-07-17T18:23:36.694-04:002012-07-17T18:23:36.694-04:00great pictures! They are gorgeous.
xo
lydia from...great pictures! They are gorgeous.<br /><br />xo<br /><br />lydia from vintage2vogue<br /><br />stop by! <br /><br />http://vintagetwovogue.blogspot.comVintage2Voguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13622071516095677769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-12577867865720475232012-07-17T18:04:57.569-04:002012-07-17T18:04:57.569-04:00Taking pictures of horses in my downtown area have...Taking pictures of horses in my downtown area have become a sort of past time to me as well. I'm simply amazed how big and graceful these majestic creatures are.<br /><br />Love your post!<br /><br />-Milynn<br /><a href="http://love-and-whimsy.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Love and Whimsy </a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280595253078082140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-75452277274892154112012-07-17T17:58:38.608-04:002012-07-17T17:58:38.608-04:00They are so beautiful, they deserve more. There is...They are so beautiful, they deserve more. There is nothing I hate more in NYC & Boston than those horses that are whored our for tourists. I can deal with the dirt, humidity, gum covered sidewalks, crazies on the streets, and whatever else Gotham throws at me but there is nothing else that I hate so much as those poor horses clomping around. Thankfully BF knows that I find that to be the least romantic thing ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-44621230063490312302012-07-17T16:29:57.734-04:002012-07-17T16:29:57.734-04:00This is off the subject of this post, sorry! I jus...This is off the subject of this post, sorry! I just wanted to let you know that I am visiting NYC this week with my family and have been very inspired by your blogposts to see things we never would have thought of. I keep thinking, maybe I'll see Natalie:)<br /><br />Chandra<br />nowthislife.blogspot.comChandra - Now This Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546529131864266617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-61976969581195934272012-07-17T16:05:30.153-04:002012-07-17T16:05:30.153-04:00You can make anything interesting you are such a g...You can make anything interesting you are such a good writer. I was feeling a little worried about these horses as you were talking about. I bet they are way hot and according to Kerry I guess they are.Courtney https://www.blogger.com/profile/16412394993661694812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-90471486550694292592012-07-17T15:25:45.936-04:002012-07-17T15:25:45.936-04:00Miss Natalie, I love your blog but am heartbroken ...Miss Natalie, I love your blog but am heartbroken to see this post. These horses are treated HORRIBLY. They are forced to live in tiny stalls in unhealthy, unsafe conditions (go check those out on 48th btwn 10th & 11th - the smell alone will make your heart break for them). They are forced to work in crowded, unsafe city streets and forced to pull weight that exceeds what their bodies can do, in sweltering heat. They are DYING, collapsing in the middle of the street. You have the power to reach thousands, PLEASE, please use that power and follow up this post with one about how their lives really are. Tourists and residents alike: PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE RIDES. It is not romantic or a vacation memory, it is animal cruelty. You can sign the important petition that will save their lives here: http://www.nyclass.org/action/petitionKerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18437528870366919736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-36041424015184573742012-07-17T14:10:41.860-04:002012-07-17T14:10:41.860-04:00i, too, have read too many horror stories about th...i, too, have read too many horror stories about these precious creatures... it;s kind of how i feel about animals in the zoo- it's nice they are there, so close, and we can have the privilege to be around them and experience their majesty when we otherwise wouldnt... but is that worth their suffering? <br /><br />who knows. i can't say.<br /><br />but i can say these pics are gorgeous.. and maybe you could write one of your awesomely penned letters to the mayor to stop the animal abuse? or at least give them better conditions...?Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216164682785016272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2487616434221255778.post-55379189838261621862012-07-17T13:54:56.972-04:002012-07-17T13:54:56.972-04:00I've read too much bad to think good of these ...I've read too much bad to think good of these situations....just breaks my heart. No animal should be forced to work...a shady tree on a big field sounds so much better for those beauties! <3kaelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01856957021988103767noreply@blogger.com